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Tim Hall



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PostSubject: Re: DobellWatch   Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:55 am

Fair point!

I was probably being unnecessarily kind!

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PostSubject: Re: DobellWatch   Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:00 pm

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Westwood being captain remains a mystery to most Bears to be honest

many thanks Asia


Kim - the figures don't tell the whole story (do they ever?). I see where you have posted the earlier table on 24/7 or your unofficial site, posters have asked how captaincy points are calculated. The simple answer seems to be that a captain gets an additional point for each win he presides over (there are a few cases where this isn't the case for some reason - maybe bowl-outs?).

In terms of cunning declarations, inspired bowling changes and snatching victory from the jaws of defeat (or as someone has said 'silver-tongued - talking the birds down from the trees' style cerebral captaincy i.e. Petini) we cannot judge or compare - but we can look at their win %, which is quite interesting;

Average Capt. P W W%
Kent Key 8.75 18 32 19 59.38
Lancs Chapple 13.90 16 27 16 59.26
Warks W'wood 5.28 18 39 20 51.28
Essex Pettini 7.28 21 41 21 51.22
Sussex Yardy 10.33 24 47 24 51.06
Durham Smith 5.89 20 41 20 48.78
Somerset Langer 6.55 19 41 19 46.34
N'hants Boje 11.94 15 37 16 43.24
Hants Mascaren 12.06 11 27 11 40.74
Worcs Solanki 9.07 14 41 14 34.15
Leics Nixon 5.70 2 30 10 33.33
Yorks McGrath 7.50 12 37 12 32.43
Gloucs Gidman 7.73 12 38 12 31.58
Notts Read 9.59 12 39 12 30.77
Leics Dipp 7.07 9 38 11 28.95
Middx Udal 8.81 11 40 11 27.50
Derby Rogers 12.18 8 32 8 25.00
Glam Dalrymple 11.34 7 38 7 18.42
Surrey Walters 5.66 2 31 4 12.90

A few captains had mediocre personal form but were very successful - Westwood, Smith & Langer

Other captains played out of their socks but in losing causes - Dalrymple, Rogers & Read

Key, Chapple & Yardy probably the pick of the bunch

Others got what they deserved?
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PostSubject: Re: DobellWatch   Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:37 pm

From tonights E&S. One very interesting paragraph....

Meanwhile, Worcestershire have this week started benefiting from the new facilities at Malvern College. The club reported back for training this week, using the school's excellent new sports complex as their base. An impressive development it is, too.

At the risk of sounding churlish, however, it's not the same as an on-site indoor school. While players at similar-sized clubs - the likes of Northants or Leicestershire - are able to utilise their on-ground facilities whenever they like, Worcestershire's players need to work around the needs of the school's pupils and travel to Malvern five days a week.

Though the club point out - with some logic - that it's the sort of off-site facility used my most major football clubs, there's probably no substitute for an on-site gym and indoor centre. Sadly it remains probable that Worcestershire would need to leave New Road for that to become a reality. Sooner or later, such a scenario seems inevitable.

Still, the Malvern option is a vast improvement on last year. Then the team were bussed around the midlands to a variety of different venues. This is a step in the right direction.

It was also good to note the relaxed good humour of the team. There was no obvious hangover from the end of the season. and the squad appeared friendly and positive with one another. Kabir Ali, it should be noted, was not present as he is the only one of the squad not on a 12-month contract. It remains unclear whether he will ever play for Worcestershire again.

One man who certainly will is Vikram Solanki. Despite a chastening season, Solanki has confirmed his decision to remain as captain and will provide some much needed stability and experience on the field next season. "Yes, I had to think whether I wanted to carry on as captain," Solanki admitted, "but it wasn't actually that tough a decision.

"Look, last season was dire. I'm not going to deny it. But it's gone and there's nothing we can do about it.

"There were also some positives. Youngsters came in and took their opportunities and that excites me. These guys are, inevitably, the future of the club and I want to help them achieve their ambitions.

"When I thought about that, it wasn't such a difficult decision to carry on. I don't doubt that it will be hard, but anything worth having is hard and I'm really looking forward to it.”
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PostSubject: Re: DobellWatch   Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:24 pm

Thanks Mick.

I do wish people will forget about this 'onsite' facility and move on. The football analogy is good. But more than that, surely it depends on where you live ? If all the players live in Worcester then yes, it might be a hassle going to Malvern. But some players might actually find Malvern is easier/quicker to get to. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Batty live Malvern way ?

Sadly it remains probable that Worcestershire would need to leave New Road for that to become a reality. Sooner or later, such a scenario seems inevitable.

Codswallop.
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PostSubject: Re: DobellWatch   Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:27 pm

Agreed !!
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PostSubject: Re: DobellWatch   Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:51 pm

This " indoor facilities " nonsense is a myth peddled by underperforming players last season, to attempt to disguise their woeful efforts. Not my fault boss !
Just think how many more Hicky could have got if only we'd had an " indoor facility " ?
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PostSubject: Re: DobellWatch   Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:21 am

Browsing in the newsagents, I came across the November issue of " SPIN ". With one of the cover headlines being " Why are Worcester so bad ? ", at £ 3.95, I had to find out ! Not that I felt that I was short of a few ideas !
GD's 3 page article seemed fair and balanced enough to me as he went through basically all the things that get mentioned on here. He may upset one or two though with his views, such as under topic no. 9 " Cosiness ", GD states " The sense persists of a club that could lose every game, but so long as tea were served on time in the Ladies' Pavilion, all would be forgiven " .

All in all though, I thought it was an informative and very good magazine.
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PostSubject: Re: DobellWatch   Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:02 am

But Dobel is sort of right. Several times last season I went to the Ladies Pavilion for Tea and Cake (yum yum) on a day when all had been disastrous. I would say to the lady or gent in front of me something like 'isn't this dreadful' and all I would get in reply was 'oh' it isn't too bad really' or 'I'm sure that we will do better in the second innings'.

I think that you have to accept that there are a lot of people who just go to snooze, do the Telegraph crossword, get away from their other half for a few hours, or just to eat cake. You can tell from the stampede when the doors open what they have been waiting for!
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PostSubject: Re: DobellWatch   Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:40 pm

I think that one of the good things about us from my perspective is what others think is a bad thing- the ambience means that you aren't that upset at not winning.

I am currently selling the New Road experience to LadyWBB as a day of sun, breeze, blue skies, lager or shorts and lovely tea and cake in the afternoon...now, you may have noticed I left a little something out there... Rolling Eyes I've even told her to bring a sunhat and good book....

I think that that is a good point- that it 'never rains' on what we can offer. But others may think that that way breeds complacency- I can see what George wrote what he did.

....mind you, that's because the Bearpit is so irredeemably ugly that you need wins to take away your thoughts on the ground and the atmosphere- loudhailer required to talk to the bloke next to you on a Championship day in April or May! Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: DobellWatch   Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:16 pm

WBB, you've hit the nail on the head there. Can there possibly be any ground in the world which can offer both players and spectators absolutely everything ? A cricket ground might 'lack' an indoor centre on site but there are so many other factors involved. And we have a lot of other positives that other clubs don't have which compensate.
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PostSubject: Re: DobellWatch   Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:43 pm

As one of the ten most popular-to-visit grounds in the world there must be something people want to see at NR. Even if it isn't the home team..!
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PostSubject: Re: DobellWatch   Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:08 am

Hotels before players wrote:
Browsing in the newsagents, I came across the November issue of " SPIN ". With one of the cover headlines being " Why are Worcester so bad ? ", at £ 3.95, I had to find out ! Not that I felt that I was short of a few ideas !
GD's 3 page article seemed fair and balanced enough to me as he went through basically all the things that get mentioned on here. He may upset one or two though with his views, such as under topic no. 9 " Cosiness ", GD states " The sense persists of a club that could lose every game, but so long as tea were served on time in the Ladies' Pavilion, all would be forgiven " .

All in all though, I thought it was an informative and very good magazine.


You've hit the nail on the head - perhaps the good ladies serving the cake should spit in the teacups of any away supporters and make sure they get served "special" cakes - liberally laced with ganga or senakot.

We have to toughen up!!
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PostSubject: Re: DobellWatch   Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:56 am

It's all very well rhapdodising about the ground, but surely the main point in WCCCs existence is to play competitive cricket, not to be a sideshow at a tourist attraction?

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PostSubject: Re: DobellWatch   Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:57 pm

Erm- isn't that similar to what Derbyshire said after they lost their Grandstand?
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PostSubject: Re: DobellWatch   Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:08 pm

Tim Hall wrote:
It's all very well rhapdodising about the ground, but surely the main point in WCCCs existence is to play competitive cricket, not to be a sideshow at a tourist attraction?


No one is arguing with that Tim. The issue here has been players saying the be-all and end-all is the lack of on-site training stuff, and GD pretty much saying in his latest article that without this we are doomed.
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